Q&A: “The Trinity”

Posted: March 25, 2015 in Q&A July 2012, Think ABOUT Faith, Think THRU Faith
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  1. Marcus Ampe says:

    this video does not explain where that person nor you get the idea from the Trinity but starts from the assumption the the Trinity is a given true fact, and that Jesus would have been an incarnation of God.

    It forgets that God always tells the Truth and that His Word is the Truth. That infallible Word of God says God is an eternal Spirit Who cannot be tempted, can not seen by man, has no beginning and not end and death can do Him , Who has no flesh, bones and blood anything.

    Jesus had a beginning, was promised by God at the beginning of times by the fall of man (long before Abraham was born) and got placed by God in the womb of a woman and was born in Bethlehem (long after Abraham and David) as the seed of King David. He was seen by many, who did not fall death, even got some back from the dead. Was tempted many times. Could sin (a thing God can not do). Was bullied and tortured unto death. Jesus really did die after He also had asked his God why He (Jehovah God) had abandoned him (Jeshua, Christ, the Messiah). Jesus was not a schizophrenic who prayed to himself and said others not to worship him but to worship the Only One True God, the God off Abraham. After he was taken out of the dead, having spend three days in hell (what would god have to look for in hell?) Jesus showed others his wounds to proof that he was not a spirit, like his heavenly Father is a Spirit, not having blood, flesh and bones. Do you than say Jesus did not tell the truth about this and about what he said about his heavenly Father? That would mean Jesus sinned.
    In the Bible it is also told that Jesus was lower than angels and at the same time the Bible tells us God is, was and always shall be the Most High.
    Having a God Who is not a God of confusing this would be a very strange saying when Jesus would be God, is it not?

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    • Please keep in mind that at these events, we are trying to give short answers to the questions asked. Often times we ourselves are not satisfied with the constraints, especially on such q complex topic as this. If the answer is unsatisfactory, students can and often do follow up.

      That being said, you’ll notice that I (Marc, first speaker) did refer briefly to part of where the idea of the Trinity comes from, though that wasn’t really the question.

      John 1 makes it very clear that Jesus is the Creator of all things.

      Additionally, Colossians 1 not only echoes that but adds that it’s Christ who holds all things together.

      On several occasions Jesus accepts worship from people, which would be idolatry. He makes references which equate Himself with Yahweh, which the Jews tried to stone Him for.

      The doctrine of the Trinity came about because the early church saw in the New Trstament a clear display of Jesus as God. How does one reconcile that with the Old Trstament where God clearly is clearly One.

      If neither can be false, being Gods inspired revelation, then both have to be true. God is One. Jesus is God. But not God the Father. So The Trinity is that explanation. It’s the only logical conclusion that does not make either The OT or the NT false.

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      • Marcus Ampe says:

        Where do you get it form that John in his gospel would say that Jesus is the creator of all things; Jesus is the one who made it possible to have the things created in the New World and as such is a creator for the New World. the apostle points out that Jesus is the one who was spoken about from the beginning of times and became a reality by his birth. the apostle also indicates that Jesus is worthy of divine honour because he is the “word made flesh.” (John 1:14). In his person the wisdom, grace and truth of the divine purpose were embodied. (See John 1:14; Corinthians 2:3). In honouring the Lord’s anointed, men were, in effect, honouring God. But this did not make Christ “Very God.”

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      • John 1:14 says, “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us” = Jesus is the Word, and John 1:! says the Word was God and with God. v3 states that all things were made by Him (the Word/Jesus).

        Also, it uses the word “Light” to describe Jesus, being the one whom John the Baptist was proclaiming, and then verse 10 says this about “The Light” (Jesus), “He was in the world, and the world was made by him.”

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      • Also, keep in mind that Jesus can’t have become “a reality” at the time of the birth, because in John 8:58 Jesus Himself says, “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” Placing His own existence well before Mary was pregnant.

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      • Marcus Ampe says:

        No, Jesus is referring that he was foreseen already long before Abraham, not that he was already existing before Abraham. In the Garden of Eden Jehovah, God, offered already a solution to man. That promise would come many years later in fulfilment as the seed of king David. (That means that David was Jesus his ancestor, so living already before Jesus.) Do you think king David was also already in existence before Abraham then?

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      • That’s a possible interpretation, that Jesus was referring to being foreseen. 2 Points on that, (1) That’s not what He said. He specifically said, “before, Abraham was *I AM*” (emphasis added). To which the Jews replied by trying to kill Him and called Him a blasphemer. That’s not a response to simply saying His coming had been foretold. (2) This is one among many such verses where Jesus received worship or made statements equating Himself with God.

        The very idea of the Trinity came about because of the many instances where Jesus’ own words (not to mention the Apostles’ words about Him) describe Him as being God.

        Scripture describes two natures of Christ. One divine, one human. David is the ancestor of the man, Jesus. While the divine nature has always been co-existent with the Father.

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